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Ethical Dilemma In The OANST Household

Posted 02-16-2009 at 12:32 PM by OANST
Abbey came to a realization yesterday. It occurred to her that when we say we are having chicken for dinner, we are actually eating a chicken. You could actually see the realization come into her eyes and then she says "You don't eat chickens! Chickens are friends!". So we tell her that lots of people eat chicken and that it's good for you to have meat. Her response is "No. You don't eat chickens, Mama".

We decided to take the conversation further and told her that hamburger is made from cow. Predictably, the reply was "No, Daddy. Cows are friends. You don't eat cows". So I told her what leather is and that many people wear it. "No, Daddy. You don't wear cows". This is my favorite part: She then says "And you don't eat elephants, either".
"Can I ride an elephant?", I ask. "Yes", she says. She thinks about it for a minute and then adds "You can hug them, too".

I love my kid.
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shaman's Avatar
Please tell her what veal is, i wana hear about that.
Posted 02-16-2009 at 12:36 PM by shaman shaman is offline

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Wil's Avatar
Speaking as a vegan…

On second thoughts, thatís perhaps telling you enough about what I would say for me not to have to say it. Suffice it to say, when I came to the equivalent conclusion as Abbey it was about a fish, and nobody ever bothered to take the discussion further. If my parents had felt the responsibility of letting me make my own informed lifestyle decisions… Well, maybe I’d have had an immature tiring of a non-meat diet long ago, but I might have grown up trusting them more. And other things more, but donít let my weird emotional circumstances enter into this.

*resists urge to rant about upbringing*
Posted 02-16-2009 at 12:43 PM by Wil Wil is offline

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Mac Sirloin's Avatar
That is adorable.
Posted 02-16-2009 at 01:11 PM by Mac Sirloin Mac Sirloin is offline

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OANST's Avatar
I kind of figured that since she is coming to this realization and apparently has a problem with it, I should be honest and divulge the rest of the sordid food affair to her. I am completely unsure that this is the wisest thing to do. I do think it is the right thing to do, however.
Posted 02-16-2009 at 01:16 PM by OANST OANST is offline

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Hobo's Avatar
Teach her meat can be fun!
Posted 02-16-2009 at 01:19 PM by Hobo Hobo is offline

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Jordan's Avatar
That's sweet.
Posted 02-16-2009 at 01:55 PM by Jordan Jordan is offline

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Pilot's Avatar
That's smeat.
Posted 02-16-2009 at 03:59 PM by Pilot Pilot is offline

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shaman's Avatar
That's atrocious...
Posted 02-16-2009 at 04:01 PM by shaman shaman is offline

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Bullet Magnet's Avatar

The Eternally Appropriate Lion King.

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Originally Posted by Max the Mug
Suffice it to say, when I came to the equivalent conclusion as Abbey it was about a fish, and nobody ever bothered to take the discussion further.
Could be worse. I'm a marine biologist. I eat what I love.
Posted 02-16-2009 at 04:47 PM by Bullet Magnet Bullet Magnet is offline

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Strike Witch's Avatar
Yes really, watch the Lion King with her.
Posted 02-16-2009 at 09:19 PM by Strike Witch Strike Witch is offline

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Wil's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullet Magnet
I'm a marine biologist. I eat what I love.
Whales? Coral reefs?

So OANST, what will you be telling Abbey? Will you tell her that many people choose not to eat meat and that it doesnít mean they lose out on any dietary requirements? And if she wanted to do that, would you let her?
Posted 02-17-2009 at 05:38 AM by Wil Wil is offline

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OANST's Avatar
I've already told her that many people choose not to eat meat at all. She said that she doesn't want to and I intend to respect that.

April was kind of pissed that I told her all this. It makes figuring out what to feed her a bit more difficult.
Posted 02-17-2009 at 05:42 AM by OANST OANST is offline

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Alcar's Avatar
Stuff the meat down her throat.

Or introduce her to a few vegans/vegetarians and tell her she'll end up looking like them.

Alcar...
Posted 02-17-2009 at 03:05 PM by Alcar Alcar is offline

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Nate's Avatar
My sister and I were vegetarians from birth (we just don't like the taste) and my mum survived. I'm sure she stressed about it a lot, but we managed.
Posted 02-17-2009 at 04:04 PM by Nate Nate is offline

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Mac Sirloin's Avatar
Vegans are human trash.
BAM!
http://www.vegfamily.com/forums/arch...hp/t-1791.html

And the article I was actually looking for :http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4087734.ece

You people are morons who'll face severe consequences for your health because of pretentious ethical bullshit.
Posted 02-17-2009 at 06:21 PM by Mac Sirloin Mac Sirloin is offline

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Bullet Magnet's Avatar
The very same results occur if you are not vegan and still don't know how to feed your child.

The fact is, you are quite able to get all of your nutrients from plants alone. This is obvious: food animals get all their nutrients from plants, and are apparently where those vital nutrients vegans miss come from. Sure, it's harder, since animals can concentrate trace nutrients in vegetables in themselves, but it's hardly impossible. You just actually have to know what the fuck you're doing before you cut out a major part of your diet.
Posted 02-17-2009 at 07:13 PM by Bullet Magnet Bullet Magnet is offline

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Mac Sirloin's Avatar
Stop being so reasonable and freak out over my edgy defiance.
Posted 02-17-2009 at 07:38 PM by Mac Sirloin Mac Sirloin is offline

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Wil's Avatar
Wow, thatís a very irresponsible article. No where near as irresponsible as the parents who didnít feed their child a balanced diet in the first place, but the ridiculous backlash against perfectly healthy veganism that has resulted from numerous cases like this is depressing. There are great resources on how to bring up a child on a well-rounded vegan diet (which stands a good chance of being healthier than the average diet), and thereís likely to be even more literature and advice for a childís vegetarian diet.

Apart from the extra work this will mean for your food preparation, the one hassle I can think of is that childrenís taste buds change over time, leading to their well-known dislike of all those wonderful planty goodies we should relish.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 03:36 AM by Wil Wil is offline

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Mac Sirloin's Avatar
My sister is vegetarian.

So I have practice in being dickish about this.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 05:19 AM by Mac Sirloin Mac Sirloin is offline

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OANST's Avatar
I'm okay with her not having anything to do with the products made from dead animals but I will not be okay with her going full vegan until she is a bit older. Five is pretty young to be making extreme life-style decisions and she couldn't possibly go without milk. That kid freakin' loves milk.

I am prepared to respect that she doesn't want to eat or wear the things that she wants to hug.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 06:02 AM by OANST OANST is offline

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Wil's Avatar
Sure, sure, I wasnít trying to recruit. Just responding to the posted article and squeezing in a reassurance that there are resources on how to have a healthy vegetarian diet for all ages.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 06:48 AM by Wil Wil is offline

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Bullet Magnet's Avatar
On the plus side, it's open season for all the creepy crawlies that she doesn't want to hug. Unless she's one of that rare yet awesome breed who loves bugs. If so, you have the ultimate child.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 07:22 AM by Bullet Magnet Bullet Magnet is offline

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OANST's Avatar
Kid fucking loves bugs.

@ Max: That was not meant as a reproach by any means. It was more of a response to Kastere than anything else.

Also, she has no fear of animals. A bird flew into the house a few days ago (I have no idea how) and she was getting right up into it's face and inspecting it. The bird is flapping it's wings and freaking out, but she is just calmly trying to get closer. I had to drag her away from it.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 07:34 AM by OANST OANST is offline
Updated 02-18-2009 at 07:39 AM by OANST

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Bullet Magnet's Avatar
I was just like that. I kept bringing home chicks that had fallen from their nests to raise. I wasn't very good at it. I kept a pigeon going for a week, once, and even got it on solid foods. It crapped everywhere.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 08:50 AM by Bullet Magnet Bullet Magnet is offline

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OANST's Avatar
There has always been something about you that just screamed kidnapper/rapist. Now we know.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 09:49 AM by OANST OANST is offline

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Bullet Magnet's Avatar
It genuinely would have been environmentally preferable had I left them to die.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 10:52 AM by Bullet Magnet Bullet Magnet is offline

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OANST's Avatar
No, there is nothing wrong with a kid wanting to save the life of a living creature. I did the same type of things when I was a kid. They also never survived on me and I remember balling uncontrollably when a frog I was trying to save died. Still, at least we weren't drowning cats in bags.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 11:22 AM by OANST OANST is offline

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Strike Witch's Avatar
Tofu?

Or, tell her of Tofu then swap it with meat.

My mum did that to me in my "I won't eat aminals!" stage, but then I cracked a week later and she was like Gotcha!
Posted 02-18-2009 at 12:02 PM by Strike Witch Strike Witch is offline

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scrab queen's Avatar
Is there anything about a strictly carnivorous diet? *half-serious*

OANST, how does she feel about spiders? I heard some of them were pretty tasty.
Posted 02-18-2009 at 06:15 PM by scrab queen scrab queen is offline

 

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