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I Despise Music

Posted 03-01-2015 at 01:34 PM by Nepsotic
Here's a tip for you guys I wish I would have learnt sooner: If you have a hobby that you love, under no circumstances ever study it in any academic format, unless you wish to lose all passion and love for that hobby and turn it into excruciating pain as you realise you dun fucked up.

This mainly applies to art related subjects.
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Phylum's Avatar
I'm at uni with hundreds of other people studying music and this is bullshit.

At the end of the day it's just not right for some of them - usually they can't handle the hours of hard work. They expect that, because it's something they enjoy and are talented at, they will love every moment of their degree and have an easy ride. That's never the case. Turning anything into a career has it's ups and downs. Most of us end up finding a way to make it work, even if it means not doing exactly what we originally planned.

Sorry to hear that it isn't working out for you, though. I hope you can find something that's mildly enjoyable to see you through into some kind of career.
Posted 03-01-2015 at 06:35 PM by Phylum Phylum is offline
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Shade667's Avatar
I did 1 1/2 years doing a course in game design, and I still like games.
Posted 03-01-2015 at 06:49 PM by Shade667 Shade667 is offline

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I love the fact that by sheer coincidence I posted my blog just in time to contradict everything Nep just said.
Posted 03-01-2015 at 06:50 PM by MeechMunchie MeechMunchie is offline

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Varrok's Avatar
I read it, and there's nothing proving Nepsotic doesn't despise music. You tricked me!

Also, nobody really needs *any* formal music education to make awesome music. You just need some feeling, and a lot of practice (trial & error works great) with any musical instrument. And some basic scales / chords. They're all on the web. Even those less basic.
Posted 03-01-2015 at 09:43 PM by Varrok Varrok is offline

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However, proper education can certainly throw you in the right direction. I find that having someone show me is far easier than watching tutorials. Trial and error is good for some, but some of us need that extra push. And this applies to all forms of entertainment.
Posted 03-01-2015 at 09:50 PM by Shade667 Shade667 is offline

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Also, nobody really needs *any* formal music education to make awesome music.
No, you got that a bit wrong. Most people would need a lot of tuition to be good musicians.

Some people are talented enough to be good without tuition, but even then if you take it seriously university level education is really the way forward. It gives you a few years to just focus on your craft, and the networking is invaluable. The people I know now I will be working with, potentially all over the world, for the rest of my life. The staff have amazing contacts, too, and when the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra needs an emergency stand-in the Conservatorium is one of the first places they call.

Also lots of places let you get in to concerts cheap/for free if you're studying, and you get access to libraries and other resources. Some people even cite their university lifestyle as part of the reason they developed into the musician that they are.

Music degrees are valuable, even if the bit of paper at the end isn't.
Posted 03-01-2015 at 11:00 PM by Phylum Phylum is offline

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I should have clarified, I study music technology, not music in general, and I'm mainly referring to marketing and industry.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 02:23 AM by Nepsotic Nepsotic is offline

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Originally Posted by shade667
I did 1 1/2 years doing a course in game design, and I still like games.
If you speak to most people in the industry they find their passion for making games overrides their passion for actually playing them.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 02:33 AM by Jordan Jordan is offline

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No, you got that a bit wrong. Most people would need a lot of tuition to be good musicians.
They only need a lot of time and practice.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 05:34 AM by Varrok Varrok is offline

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Theres more to it than that certainly.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 07:42 AM by Shade667 Shade667 is offline

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Varrok's Avatar
What is more is on the internet.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 08:34 AM by Varrok Varrok is offline

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Varrok is correct.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 09:53 AM by Nepsotic Nepsotic is offline

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Phylum's Avatar
Some people can do music, and some can't. It's not about what resources are available to you. Lots of people will never be great musicians, even with good training.

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They only need a lot of time and practice.
It takes the right kind of person to be able to commit the time though! And learning to practice something well is a skill that's very hard to learn.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 12:23 PM by Phylum Phylum is offline

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If someone is really dedicated to making great music, he will make great music, eventually.

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It takes the right kind of person to be able to commit the time though!
That's always a bad justification. Everybody is capable of long-term commitment to being a musician well, not everybody, people on wheelchair or in coma usually can't, but you know, what I mean. Not everybody gives a shit enough to do it. I will not justify people who don't care enough, that's just lazy.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 08:10 PM by Varrok Varrok is offline

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"I could have been a great musician, but I never invested the time"

lol

You either are or you aren't. There's no "anybody could do it if they put the time in". Only certain people are capable of putting the time in.

And not everybody can make great music. I know people who have been professional musicians for most of their lives and don't make great music (making most of their living off of teaching apparently). Some people are just bad.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 08:25 PM by Phylum Phylum is offline

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Practice makes perfect, but theres varying levels of perfect.
Posted 03-02-2015 at 08:55 PM by Shade667 Shade667 is offline

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Varrok's Avatar
Everybody who at least likes music has it in him, is capable of making music, despite how bad he sounds atm. There's no such thing as true "talent", it's a skill, it can be taught. Both the technique and the feeling.

However, you can't teach style. Individuality can't be taught by others, and everybody has some inside. Some people just have to try harder to reach it.
Posted 03-03-2015 at 05:03 AM by Varrok Varrok is offline

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Talent is literally just a word to describe a natural affinity for a type of skill

It gets a little insulting when you've honed a skill and people just pass it off as talent like you didn't work your ass off to get to where you are and instead just got there effortlessly
Posted 03-03-2015 at 11:50 AM by Slog Bait Slog Bait is offline

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Everybody who at least likes music has it in him, is capable of making music, despite how bad he sounds atm. There's no such thing as true "talent", it's a skill, it can be taught. Both the technique and the feeling.
No, everyone has potential. Not everyone can or will put in the time and effort to learn or be taught.
Posted 03-03-2015 at 03:38 PM by Manco Manco is offline

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I should have clarified, I study music technology, not music in general, and I'm mainly referring to marketing and industry.
Well I think I've found the problem, sir.
Posted 03-03-2015 at 03:57 PM by Mr. Bungle Mr. Bungle is offline

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Not everyone can or will put in the time and effort to learn or be taught.
If they give a shit, they can and will. At least overwhelming majority of them can.
Posted 03-03-2015 at 07:42 PM by Varrok Varrok is offline

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In theory.
Posted 03-03-2015 at 10:13 PM by Shade667 Shade667 is offline

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No but that's just not how it works. You can theorise as much as you like that anyone could do anything. You could argue that there's enough information on nuclear physics on the internet that anybody could teach themselves.

I guess the real question is "what the fuck is the point?".
Posted 03-03-2015 at 10:43 PM by Phylum Phylum is offline

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After some thought, I do understand where you're coming from Nep. At least a little bit. Id make a reference to speedrunning and how I see games much different now than I used to (though its a bad comparison, but It might have the same idea), but people might hang me for mentioning it...


Oh.
Posted 03-04-2015 at 02:59 AM by Shade667 Shade667 is offline

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You could argue that there's enough information on nuclear physics on the internet that anybody could teach themselves.
I think there is. If not, there are always books. Or any other means of learning without teacher. Also, no off-topic please.

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I guess the real question is "what the fuck is the point?".
The real answer is: stop being a pussy. Holy fucking most-probably-non-existent JESUS! You people will find an excuse for ANYTHING. If you fail a school exam do you say "Hurr hurr not anybody can pass this test. There are people who repeat classes for many years and still fail it". It's such a loser talk, I hate it very much. Fine, go be miserable. Also, you don't need a teacher to pass e.g. math test in college. You just need the internet or books.

And yes, I can't prove anybody can do music. As well as I can't prove that any healthy human is able to pick a penny from the ground.
Posted 03-04-2015 at 07:20 AM by Varrok Varrok is offline

 

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