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Shade667 10-05-2014 08:21 PM

NnT Speedrun thread
 
This was just going to be a thread where I mostly talk to myself about my latest achievements in NnT, since thats my primary focus after spending over a hundred hours in Destiny.
But I thought itd be better to have a general speedrunning thread. Put it in the spoiler forum cuz there will most definately be explicit mentions of certain parts of the game.

So, today. Just got my first 22:XX on Alfs escape. Pretty happy with it. I lost about a minute and a half on the defend abe section, and about a minute on the way back, so I could definately get a sub 19 soon. Ive optimised everything else. The slaughterhouse is a breeze, and once Ive got alf everything else is easy peasy. Its mostly just defending abe, and then getting to alf thats a pain.

Connell 10-06-2014 12:31 AM

Pretty sure I'm still 2nd on Rupture Farms. Some asshole got me by a millisecond or something :fuzwink:

Shade667 10-06-2014 08:34 PM

For some reason Rupture farms and Stockyards give me so much trouble. I need to just spend a few hours with them, get em optimised.

So, Sutiibu, Qwerku and I are driving FreeFire Zone into the ground. Qwerku holds #1 with 1:18, Sutiibu in 2nd with 1:19 and im in 3rd with 1:23. We believe we can get the level to 1:15, but that 2nd last slig always complicates it for us. Sometimes he decides he wants to take twice as long going to sleep. I also found a way to get the bird portal to stay when the slig fires, but It only happened once, and I stuffed the ending. That run wouldve definately been a sub 1:20.

Shade667 10-21-2014 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Connell (Post 600480)
Pretty sure I'm still 2nd on Rupture Farms. Some asshole got me by a millisecond or something :fuzwink:

I checked recently, and yeah. Ur second, Any% though. That leaderboard is all over the place, so it takes some searching to see whos no.1 for 100%. They really should make seperate leaderboards for 100% and ANY%.

So Ive been getting back to practicing recently, after not playing for 2 weeks cuz of various other games (Destiny, Dust, Minecraft). Been trying real hard to get Sub 20 minutes on Alfs escape. But that defend abe section... Fuck that section lol.
Ive also been attempting to optimise level 3 (mosaic lines I think (I dont remember the name for whatever reason)). That level, like freefire zone is frustratingly hard to optimise. But Im getting there. Like when to possess the sligs, and when start running to skip the first platforming section, as well as how many times I can jump run (cuz jump running is faster than running) without jumping off the egde or running into a mudoken.

Shade667 10-24-2014 05:14 PM

Okay, I had literally the best run of Alf's escape I have ever had, and then right at the bloody end a slig killed me through the floor putting me back 2 minutes, killing the run. Was almost definately a sub 20 run. I found a strat that saved me a minute in the slaughterhouse, and I got a perfect defend abe section.

Soemtimes, If u activate an elevator and a slig sees u as u start going down, no matter how far down u are he can still hit u. From a speedrunning standpoint, this needs a fix asap.

Shade667 11-05-2014 04:50 PM

Got back into running Alfs escape again after a week since the awesomenauts update was distracting me. Found a sweet strat that saves about 30 seconds in the scrab section of the slaughterhouse.

Shade667 12-13-2014 09:37 PM

Started running again since I said that id do a full Hard 100% run by february. Been drilling Paramonia for weeks. Until yesterday I find a strat and shaved 26 seconds off my time in an hour, putting me in 5th place. Every day that time is going down, its down to 5:17 now. #1 is 5:08, so Ill be putting in so many hours to take that spot, now that I know I have the capability to do so.

Wil 12-14-2014 10:42 AM

Just so you know, Shade, the leaderboards are going to have to wiped very soon to get rid of the bugged zero times that are filling them up. If you're still speedrunning, there's a chance you'll be in first position for that reason.

Shade667 12-14-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wil (Post 602316)
Just so you know, Shade, the leaderboards are going to have to wiped very soon to get rid of the bugged zero times that are filling them up. If you're still speedrunning, there's a chance you'll be in first position for that reason.

Im glad. Its been easy to find whos no.1 even with the bugged times cuz Im friends with Qwerku and Sutiibu (Who hold #1 and #2 on both the main leaderboard and the 299 leaderboard) so theyre usually at the top of each leaderboard. But its tough finding the no.1 on rupture farms cuz it doesnt seperate Any% from 100%. I would ask for seperate leaderboards for 299 mudokons on every level, but that seems like itd be too much work.

I was going to ask someone about the 00:00 bug eventually, since I asked months ago and alf told me itd be in the recent patch, which didnt happen. Good to know the games still gonna be updated. Theyve probably put more time into the PS4 version than they would have liked, in order to get the other versions out this year.

Wil 12-15-2014 03:28 AM

Luckily it's not an update to the game itself, which would carry the risk of being another ~2.5GiB download. It's all done server side. Folks will have to either beat their current time or delete their save data to re-upload. I hope that doesn't cheese too many people off.

Shade667 12-15-2014 05:45 PM

Wont replaying the level just automatically upload their best time? Cuz ur best time is locally saved. Cuz alot of my best times im not sure if I can beat. Ive been trying to beat my 1:23 on free fire zone for MONTHS. I dont think Ill ever beat that time until a major skip is found. Ive been searching for one but no such luck.

Phylum 12-16-2014 01:15 AM

The leaderboard server will only accept times that beat your old PBs, otherwise that would make it even easier to abuse.

That way the 0 time abusers will never be able to resubmit.

Wil 12-16-2014 04:54 AM

It's not that the Sony leaderboards only accept faster times, it's the game that checks if your time is faster before bothering to send data to the server.

We could try to patch that - so that everyone's current bests stored locally, assuming they haven't been deleted, will be re-uploaded. But that would be a ~2.5GiB download for everybody, and patches carry an inherent risk of introducing new bugs.

Shade667 12-16-2014 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phylum (Post 602346)
The leaderboard server will only accept times that beat your old PBs, otherwise that would make it even easier to abuse.

That way the 0 time abusers will never be able to resubmit.

Thats actually not fair, because Ive got a lot of friends who got the 00:00 bug by playing normally. Its a bug, not something to be abused. I have no doubt some have abused it, but alot of people have gotten it accidentally.

Seems like a mistake while designing the server. Im about to take #1 on Paramonia, Im in second place by 1 second. Now Im debating if I should even try, but Im motivated by being so close to #1.

And I mean, how many people besides speedrunners are still playing the game? I know me and blacksuit still play. But were practicing to run the game. And sam is gonna be running the game ANY% early next year as well. Is a 2 gig patch really that big of a deal? Is it the Wii-u versions limited storage space? Or has that been resolved?


98% of people played and beat the game, and stopped. maybe theyll come back later on to replay it. 1.5% would have played it for 2 weeks to platinum it. I was one of those. The other 0.5% are ur long time players. Who are working 6 hours a day to get to #1. Seems like this solution is screwing ur long time players more than the short term players. because even those who spent a week getting their time below 3 hours (which is hella easy) dont care about the leaderboards. Thats how I see it anyway.

Shade667 12-18-2014 01:03 AM

Any news on when its going to happen? Im avoiding getting a 5:06 on paramonia. Im so close, its right at my fingertips. But i cant even risk practicing it. Same with freefire zone. I can get 1:20 or less, but I dont want to risk it if im not going to be able to beat it.

Wil 12-18-2014 07:39 AM

The zero times are caused by a bug that was introduced in a patch designed to fix a different leaderboards bug, nothing to do with hacking. Those people with zero times are unable to upload new times, and that's unfair on them. Wiping the leaderboards is the only way to let them upload legitimate times.

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Originally Posted by Shade667 (Post 602360)
And I mean, how many people besides speedrunners are still playing the game? I know me and blacksuit still play. But were practicing to run the game. And sam is gonna be running the game ANY% early next year as well. Is a 2 gig patch really that big of a deal? Is it the Wii-u versions limited storage space? Or has that been resolved?

2GiB is the size of the patch that needs to be downloaded, not how much bigger the patched game will be. This is a very significant size for any patch, especially for people with slow internet or limited data allowances, and we have to consider everybody who's bought the game in these decisions.

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Originally Posted by Shade667 (Post 602360)
98% of people played and beat the game, and stopped. maybe theyll come back later on to replay it. 1.5% would have played it for 2 weeks to platinum it. I was one of those. The other 0.5% are ur long time players. Who are working 6 hours a day to get to #1. Seems like this solution is screwing ur long time players more than the short term players. because even those who spent a week getting their time below 3 hours (which is hella easy) dont care about the leaderboards. Thats how I see it anyway.

You're right, it sucks, and I'm sorry. We're doing this to fix the leaderboards for everyone who cares about them, but there are limits to what we can accomplish. We may be able to put out a patch at a later date, but if we rush out a patch right away we stand to irreversibly impact in a bad way up to 99.5% of our customers (going by your estimates) and potentially screw over ourselves and everybody if something in the future needs to be patched. This is the sensible and sustainable and respectful solution. I'm sorry that it's not flawless, but if we didn't care about our speedrunning fans, we'd save ourselves the effort and leave the leaderboards broken.

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Originally Posted by Shade667 (Post 602378)
Any news on when its going to happen? Im avoiding getting a 5:06 on paramonia. Im so close, its right at my fingertips. But i cant even risk practicing it. Same with freefire zone. I can get 1:20 or less, but I dont want to risk it if im not going to be able to beat it.

Some time on the 20th.

Shade667 12-18-2014 03:31 PM

I mean, Im from Australia. I have a download speed of 2mb p/s and an upload speed of 0.4. Doesnt get much worse :P

But Ok. Ill just keep practicing Zulag 4 and Paramonian temple. Who designed the secret area in paramonian temple? Cuz I dont like them. Sawblades are my arch-nemesis.

Shade667 12-20-2014 11:01 PM

Its the 21st and it hasn't been wiped?

Phylum 12-20-2014 11:07 PM

Yes.

Shade667 12-22-2014 01:22 AM

Gah! Still hasnt wiped.

Shade667 12-27-2014 04:04 PM

Have the leaderbards been wiped yet?

I havnt checked due to all the issue PSN is having after the hack.

Shade667 01-06-2015 02:26 AM

I was having issues with the leaderboards not uploading my times so I just deleted all my save data and started again. Got to paramonia and Elum was being a pain with the slig at the middle, going all stiff and not listening to me when I blew up the slig.

But I marched on and got a god run. A 5:05 on paramonia. Beating the #1 time (set by me) of 5:07. I believe well eventually get sub 5 paramonia, but that wont be for a while. I reckon Ill be holding #1 on paramonia for a long while. Unless some major skip ruins my day.

Shade667 01-14-2015 01:24 AM

YES!!! FInally, after months of work, I finally beat Alfs escape in under 20 minutes, putting me in 2nd place. Mudokony is still 2 and a half minutes ahead, but I beat my old time by over a minute, so Ill get him one day.

Samtastic 01-17-2015 12:21 PM

I managed to beat New 'n' Tasty Hard Mode with chapter resets in around 3:24. Took me a few days to do and I just need to get my time done under 3 hours now to win that trophy!

Shade667 01-17-2015 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samlaptop95 (Post 603220)
I managed to beat New 'n' Tasty Hard Mode with chapter resets in around 3:24. Took me a few days to do and I just need to get my time done under 3 hours now to win that trophy!

I thought you would have done that by now?
Sub 2 hours is easy. But I guess you have been playing on normal for a while.

But u dont need to play on hard to get the New n Hasty trophy.

Shade667 01-27-2015 12:55 AM

i said Id do a run by february and that date it getting awfully close.

Just finished routing Zulag 3. Only got zulag 4 to go, and ive already routed boardroom in the past. Got a couple days to refresh on the para levels, scrab levels, zulag 1 and stockyards. And try to not mind blank on all the passwords in the game. And then comes my 100% hard run.

Shade667 02-03-2015 10:25 PM

Started to upload some of my runs, and show off some of the tricks to help newer runners out, since the PC release is right around the corner.

Heres a video showing off some of the tricks I use in Paramonia to save time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7xOKQjXNcY

And heres an example of a good Paramonia run to show off the route:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEWzjAIKzLg

Also, does anyone know how to embed a video rather than just pasting a link?

Samtastic 02-05-2015 09:58 PM

Nice runs dude. I subscribed! That route would be decent in an any% run. I know you could jump over the mines!

Shade667 02-05-2015 10:09 PM

Thanks, me and starwin have been grinding this level to dust. My PB is 5 minutes flat and Starwin just got a 4:57.
And yeah, Paramonia and Scrabania are the only levels where there is crossover between Any% and 100%. Not including FFZ, boardroom, monsaic etc. cuz theyre 2 minutes levels.
Theres a lot of movement optimisation that I cant really show off in a video, or if I can it wont be clear what im doing differently, so maybe when I get a PC ill have a crack at an in depth paramonia Tutorial. Im thinking of doing the same thing for scrabania.

Shade667 02-05-2015 10:33 PM

Also, thanks for linking the Oddworld page on Speedrun.com a couple weeks ago, I only just checked it out and Ill be making full use of the leaderboards and the forum in future. U guys gotta at least open an Any% topic for any new runners coming into it to show them theres at least someone doing it. I started a 100% topic on the forum. theres only 3 of us working on the game, so we gotta do all we can to show people its a game worth running.


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