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Old 12-14-2004, 02:43 PM
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Lantra...you are really looking too much into the game. Fuh-Reeeky!

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Old 12-14-2004, 03:31 PM
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The live ammo doesn't die. Inside gameplay, it disappears. Inside gameplay, chippunks dont disappear unless an enemy completely stamps it out.
So technically, you're not sacrificisng any innocent creatures.
And boombats would blow themselves up anyway.
If chippunks disappear when stomped on, I think we can assume that they're dead.

If boombats blow themselves up, it would be like bees; one animal sacrificing itself for the good of the species. But I'm sure it doesn't happen too regularly.
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Old 12-14-2004, 05:25 PM
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Good Point Nate...it is still sacrificing innocents Esus, there's no two ways around it.

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Lantra...you are really looking too much into the game. Fuh-Reeeky!
Last time I checked Oddguy this was an Oddworld discussion forum, looking into the games is what it's for. I'm using the forums in one of their intended ways, so it's not "Fuh-Reeeky".

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Old 12-15-2004, 03:55 AM
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Erm Lantra? You seem to have mis-read your own quote. It says Incarcerate, not incapacitate. And Incarcerate means to confine or imprison, and you dont need to technically be alive to be confined, or you could be on the brink of death and imprisoned.

I dont see why people care if Strangers not all hippy-hippy. Whats the matter? He's a BOUNTY HUNTER. Lets play as the darker character for a change
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Old 12-15-2004, 12:21 PM
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That last comment was uncalled for Max, this isn't about what kind of games I play, it's about the content of a game that everyone on this forum plays.
Lantra, my apologies, I've never meant any offence throughout this thread. I didn't even mention what games you play, I was merely following on from the idea of firing Boombats at Outlaws.

Boombats eat nitroroots, glyceringrass and sulphur. It would be an evolutionary irregularity for them not to use this for explosive potential, and though I see that Stranger is using Boombats for his own ends rather than theirs, it can easily be said that killing a sentient, intelligent creature is far worse than killing a mere animal (not necessary my views).

OWI have tried to make it known that they've never considered Glukkons, Sligs or Outlaws as being ‘bad’, just different species with their own views, cultures, history and needs. Incapacitating them peacefully is clearly a better reflection of your Quarma, and if you're firing explosive bats, then this is pretty tricky. If you want to be good, don't use Boombats. It's not as if you couldn't play through the last three games being hack-happy and crunching Mudokons left, right and centre.

EDIT: Not very many bees die when they sting something, so Stingbees are by no means necessarily in danger.
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Old 12-15-2004, 12:37 PM
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Is there going to be Quarma in this game, or will Moolah be the scale to compare (ie more Moolah if you keep everyone alive)?

In any case, Lorne has said that Stranger is more morally ambiguous than Abe or Munch.
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Old 12-15-2004, 12:38 PM
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If you want to be good, don't use Boombats. It's not as if you couldn't play through the last three games being hack-happy and crunching Mudokons left, right and centre.
Once again an example of choice and perspective depending on how you want to play the game.

Edit: Nate you beat me to it!

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Munch always came across to me as a kind of spoilt little brat. But I wouldn't know, I've never played the game.

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Lantra, my apologies, I've never meant any offence throughout this thread. I didn't even mention what games you play, I was merely following on from the idea of firing Boombats at Outlaws.
Thanks for the apology Max, sorry if I overreacted.

I'm glad one can choose not to use certain types of ammo, if Quarma was implemented into the game so that you gained good Quarma by using ammo that doesn't die or keeping your ammo alive that would be awesome and also more in keeping with past Oddworld games.

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Old 12-16-2004, 02:16 PM
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that would be awesome and also more in keeping with past Oddworld games.
However much we talk about right and wrong I have a feeling that we'll play as "the baddies" at some point in a future game.
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Old 12-16-2004, 06:04 PM
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Yes and No, seeing as on Oddworld there is no Good and Evil, merely different sides. Thus we'll play as industrials at one time or another, but never a 'baddie'.
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Amen! This way we can explore the thought process of one who would give a damn if a child lived. All Stranger really is is the escense of our dark conscience telling us to kill and be merciless and playing as him I believe would calm stress. I think most of this was spam! But it's still a good point!
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I don't think Stranger is urged to kill - I think he just sticks out for number one and does he needs to do to do his job and get paid. The line between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ in the game have been vastly blurred.
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Old 12-17-2004, 10:08 AM
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The exploding ammo is used to destruct the environment - it's obviously pretty nasty if you use it on the Outlaws. But then you wouldn't play the game like that... would you?
Heh heh.......


I'm loving what OWI have done with the live ammo, it looks so cool in the card I got. Well done OWI!
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None of the live ammo is killed by Stranger.
The boombats and their upgrades live in sulphur caves and eat a lot of sulphur and nitrous.
If they were not used for ammo, they would eventually self destruct into one big boom. Thus, their name Boombats.

The upgraded Slug has the same problem. It's life span is very short and it's very happy to help out.

Fuzzles, bolamites, stunkz, chippunks, stingbees all go about their business after being shot from the crossbow.
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Thanks for dropping in Alf's Assistant!

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A point well proved. Thank you once again.
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Old 12-19-2004, 12:36 AM
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Ewww, so the Riot Slugs do literally fragment... that's pretty nasty.

But thanks for the clarification, Alf's Assistant. If the Boombats and Slugs are willing to sacrifice themselves for Stranger then it takes away the edge of their ‘innocent’ stance.
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yeah, I've read this whole thread and
i'm still lost.
anyway, ignore ZRW and run amuck with animals squished into your ammo mag.
sounds fun to me
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Wow thanks for clearing that up AA...
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