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Old 03-17-2009, 05:32 AM
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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said Moscow will begin a comprehensive military rearmament from 2011.

Mr Medvedev said the primary task would be to "increase the combat readiness of [Russia's] forces, first of all our strategic nuclear forces".

Explaining the move, he cited concerns over Nato expansion near Russia's borders and regional conflicts.

Last year, the Kremlin set out plans to increase spending on Russia's armed forces over the next two years.

Russia will spend nearly $140bn (£94.5bn) on buying arms up until 2011.

Higher oil revenues in recent years have allowed the Kremlin to increase the military budget, analysts say. But prices have averaged $40 a barrel in 2009 compared with $100 last year.

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In his first address to a defence ministry meeting in his capacity as supreme commander, Mr Medvedev said considerable sums are being channelled towards developing and purchasing modern military equipment.


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"Despite the financial problems we have to cope with today, the size of these sums has remained virtually the same as planned."

Analysts say the brief war in Georgia exposed problems with outdated equipment and practices within Russia's armed forces and led to calls for military modernisation.

President Medvedev's remarks also appear significant for what they say about the diplomatic game between Moscow and the new administration in the United States, says the BBC's James Rodgers in Moscow.

Both sides are looking for a solution to issues - such as US missile defence plans in Europe - which bitterly divided the Kremlin and the White House during the Bush administration. Neither, though, seems willing simply to abandon previously-held positions, our correspondent adds.

The Russian Security Council is currently developing a new military doctrine which is expected to reflect current and forthcoming international developments, including any changes Nato may set out this year, missile defence deployments and WMD proliferation.

"The Security Council will approve Russia's national security strategy until 2020 in the near future," President Medvedev said.
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So what? In Russia as well as in Europe and USA large capitalists rules the country's policy, those buisenessmen have major foreign assets as well as European companies have large buisnesses in Russia so nobody is interested in war. Besides remember how much people work in armaments industry, they should eat something you know... and those specialists are being underpaid and even unpaid for 2 and more months because their plant's production isn't in demand. Do you know that the Doctor's of Natural Scienses average salary is only about $500? Any way Russia's military butget is wa-a-a-y smaller than, for example, China's or USA's.

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And any of that justifies raising military expenditure...how?
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And any of that justifies raising military expenditure...how?
Yes, it justifies. Scientists and specialists working in military research and production will save their workplaces. Besides armaments trade is a major income source for the country, why do you think USA have such military butgets?

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That logic is dumb, physicists can do more than build A-bombs just like blacksmiths can do more than make swords. The government should use the money that they're spending on the military to boost the economy in other ways.

EDIT: Oh and 'It's alright for them to do it because we're doing it' is probably the second most fallacious argument in existence. The best way to deter is to lower stockpiling, and somebody has to start.
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But isn't that strange to you that governments of developed countries choose "spending money on the military"? Even Israel is selling arms. Armaments market brings more income than every other branch of economy. Also remember that military research was and IS the best boost for overall scienctific progress. Or why US military ordered an aircraft 79 milion dollars worth? Why have US government spent the money for the research and developement programme but not for "supporting economy"?

The answer is that military production and armaments trade DOES SUPPORT the economy!!!

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Granted; conflict breeds progress but it shouldn't be conflict with such high stakes.

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Is my real problem here, there really is no justification for nuclear weapons, let alone more nuclear weapons. Not in any country. Not ever. If the UN won't allow it in Iran then why should it allow it in Russia, or anywhere else for that matter? The third world war defused itself and the current fourth world war demands less from obvious bouts of heroism.

Just because something is the easiest thing to do does not necessitate it as the best thing. If that were true then we'd stop looking for renewable energy sources and keep our over reliance on Fossil Fuels.

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The answer is that military production and armaments trade DOES SUPPORT the economy!!!
Up until the day people decide to make use of their investments, and probably over disputes about the armaments trade of other nations. I don't need to give you examples.
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Yes, it justifies. Scientists and specialists working in military research and production will save their workplaces. Besides armaments trade is a major income source for the country, why do you think USA have such military butgets?
Yes, dealing in the tools of death is a lucrative business. And a country should have the ability to defend itself. However, justifiable defense measures and the ability to deal total annihilation are two very different things.

And it's budget. You make it sound like a gay guy from 4chan just got lucky.
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I would have thought that dealing in arms would be the last thing Russia wanted, an arms race isn't exactly what we want repeated ... because of the terror it inspired.

You know ... the Cold war.
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Didn't we fix that with a fake alien invasion? No. It was an attack from a blue man, right? What was it, again?
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So what you guys get up to over the pond usually reaches my ears in a distorted manner...
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I imagine Russia probably wants to get over its status as 'Earth's Running Joke' by proving it still has a wang to spin around.
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I think some of us might be missing the point here. Admiral Zaarin is right about certain things, with a couple of notations. Increasing the production of weapons is one thing, but it's not going to render any revenue unless you're selling it to a third party. This is how the weapons industry works. You invest a certain amount of money into increasing your stockpile of weapons (nukes excluded, since they're not sold the same way firearms are, I hope...) and then you sell parts of that stockpile to a third-world country or any other soon-to-be dictatorship that needs to be overthrown. Revenue generated.

This has been the case with Russian arms for quite some time - American too. Look at most of the NATO-countries - they have adopted weapons and military vehicles that are manufactured in the US, by US companies. *cough* Norway for instance, who just recently
chose the JSF over the Gripen.

More to the point - the fact that Russia is going to use the process of increasing their arms production as a cloak to say that they're about to man up for a 'potential threat', when in fact they're just generating more income is a perfect example of how to make money and become politically stronger without actually firing a single round.

It's just politics and psychology, I guess.
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Maybe back in WWII when everyone out of job due to the Depression suddenly got one on the tank, ship, and ammo-assembling lines. But I'd like to think that during these times military production is one of lesser factors on the economy.
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Russia has as much right to increased military preparedness as the United States and China do.

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I saw Watchmen and I almost came it was so good. Specifically JEHschach. of course i have my gripes wya wya

Anyway, I think it's good that the Russkies are getting nukes again. That way, we'll freak out again. Last time we did that over commies, a bunch of post-apocalyptic movies/books/etc. got made. And that is a good thing.

Plus, I live near a bomb shelter. I wanna see if it works.

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I'm pretty sure it was a disembodied blue penis. Never erect.
I still hold that movie would have involved ten times more awesome if his penis swinged about as he moved.
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Meh, as long as NATO doesn't cross the border it should all be fine.
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useless outside battle and sports anime.
But they're recklessly trying to make a slice-of-life anime about us.
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