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Old 07-14-2017, 12:09 AM
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dude nobody cares
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:35 AM
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that's why i said nobody cares

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Old 07-14-2017, 03:36 AM
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Like I said, Oddysee has never been talked about in terms of rules and glitches.

As far as I can tell, one individual made the rules up long ago and they haven't been reviewed since. Technically, he didn't break those rules, but I'm very interested in reviewing the game as a whole, researching glitches like the one mentioned and deciding if it should be legal or not.

I'm not trying to make any excuses, but we rarely discuss Oddysee due to lack of interest so I'm positive most of us don't even know how he managed to do it.

I never started this account for the purpose of drama, in fact, all I've been meaning to do is clarify what issues people have with the 'glitchless' run and try to straighten things out.

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Old 07-14-2017, 04:13 AM
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What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody knows and nobody cares, what do you even care if our rules aren't enforced? Do you see the irony in creating an account on here just to say that?

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Old 07-14-2017, 04:41 AM
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I never said anything about the rules on this forum.

I'm clarifying to protect the reputation of some runners who have been falsely labelled as cheaters.

Man, if you continue acting this hostile you're sure to have a heart attack by the age of 40. Chill out.
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the fucking hypocrisy in that statement is so perfect that I thought you were a troll for a second there

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Old 07-14-2017, 05:30 AM
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How is it 'cheating' if what may be considered a glitch is used in a run in a glitchless category when the community who speedruns the games share strats and discuss these 'glitches' with each other anyway? Surely, cheating means to do something that gives one an unfair advantage over someone else... but how is this the case when all who run the games openly discuss and disclose such matters? At most it would be a break of the rules, but not cheating. However, the name of the caregory should not be taken at face value and runners should always look to the specified rules for a category as there are always going to be gray areas surrounding what should be considered a glitch and what should be considered a legal exploit of the game's mechanics.

It can't be cheating when everyone is allowed to use the same strategies which are openly shared and discussed with everyone. Like I said, at worst it's a break in the rules if indeed the rules specify said strat would constitute a break of such, and it's not fair to label someone under this circumstance a 'cheater'.

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Using a glitch in a glitchless run...
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Old 07-14-2017, 05:56 AM
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Who are you quoting? And is there a point to your post?
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Old 07-14-2017, 06:03 AM
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Well, you're not fooling anyone by trying to justify cheating. I don't mind: just saying that you aren't convincing.
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:19 AM
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I think you're all artificially trying to turn it into a drama, when it's hardly one.

Vlam isn't trying to be mean, but he's brutally honest (and 'edgy'), and the way he sees it, the name "glitchless" implies not using glitches. I agree it is misleading, but since there are clear rules of what's allowed and not in the category, I don't think anyone cheated unless he broke the aforementioned rules. What's not forbidden, is allowed. Personally, I'd change the name of the category, since it does not fully represent the content.

Speedrunners are definitely a community.

In all open speedrunner communities there are people who are worse at this than others. Everyone's pretty bad at start, that's how it goes.

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While I do understand why Vhazen took it for acting narcissistic, after re-reading this, for me it's more like an unfortunate choice of words.

Also, Kapteeni doesn't want to cause harm and he explicitly said so. I don't think he'll return to the speedrunner discord, so whether you ban him or not doesn't matter.

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This fucking thread lol.


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Vlam isn't trying to be mean, but he's brutally honest (and 'edgy'), and the way he sees it, the name "glitchless" implies not using glitches. I agree it is misleading, but since there are clear rules of what's allowed and not in the category, I don't think anyone cheated unless he broke the aforementioned rules. What's not forbidden, is allowed. Personally, I'd change the name of the category, since it does not fully represent the content.
I agree with this completely. From what I've seen, Vlam hasn't really done anything wrong, so I'm not sure why this guy is taking him so personal. Again maybe it's just me, but the whole "well YOUR INPUT ISN'T NECESSARY" line still pisses me off. These guys CAME TO OUR COMMUNITY to start shit and I'm not gonna let that go. I sort of believed their excuse at first, but the more I look at it I think they just wanted to come here to call out the one who harassed them in hopes that either they themselves showed up or someone else called them out by name first, so they wouldn't seem as vindictive. I know passive aggression when I see it. All of this is why I don't like taking sides, in any dispute.

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I think the only ones who denied that were honestly just bein trolly little shits with nothing better to say as a jab.

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While I do understand why Vhazen took it for acting narcissistic, after re-reading this, for me it's more like an unfortunate choice of words.
Perhaps. But sometimes it's the little slip-ups that can tell you a lot about a person. I'd be pretty offended if this guy came to my house and said this to people in my social circle - even if I didn't like the people they were talking about very much. These guys are walking pretty carelessly. On ice.

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Also, Kapteeni doesn't want to cause harm and he explicitly said so. I don't think he'll return to the speedrunner discord, so whether you ban him or not doesn't matter.
Agreed. I'm still very put off by Kapt's immature response to this, but in retrospect, the existence of this thread is immature to begin with, they just wrote two giant Trump-Walls to make it look more mature than it actually was. I still think they literally just came here to call him out. One way or another, while our boi may have done something wrong - very wrong - to their group, I don't believe in forcing apologies. If he's done being a little shit, then let him be. It's a bad representation of our community, but hardly warrants banning him from our own group, which honestly, I suspect was the goal of these people.

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With all of this out of the way, I stand by everything I have said here and in my last three posts. Given the chance, I would say everything I have said again.

Now to these speedrunner kids - While I agree it's not /technically/ cheating if what you did was use certain authorized glitches, it's still a bit shady in my opinion, but that hardly warrants the real harassment you claim to have suffered. If Kapteeni still continues to abuse your friends, then perhaps we will do something - but one way or another this should have been a private matter. So with all of this out of the way, your message received - with all due respect sirs, please leave.

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Well, you're not fooling anyone by trying to justify cheating. I don't mind: just saying that you aren't convincing.
But it's not cheating. At most it's a break of the perceived rules that are implied by the category's name. It's not cheating when everyone is allowed to do it and it's not a strategy that is banned in the rules. I'm only arguing this because a runner was targeted with the title 'cheater', but they are not. But whatever... troubled people create trouble.
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Vlam is a person who tells the truth as he sees it, but you guys can't grasp the fact that someone isn't catering to your emotions so you're dismissing him as a troll so you don't have to think about your responses.
Vlam claimed that they're bullying Kapteeni because they called him out for shitty behaviour. If that's the truth as he sees it, he needs glasses.

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I'm closing this thread now because it's past its worth. If I can summarise the takehome messages:
  • Speedrunners do their thing and no-one outside that community really minds what they do, as long as it's over there
  • Kapteeni has a thin skin and over-reacts to shit. Nothing new there
  • A bunch of our members enjoy inflaming arguments for the sake of arguments
  • OWF is the worst.
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