And why does it take him days to create an entire universe. He can just avoid the all of the trouble, and put all of his creations into existence.
What I like is that he spent days on this tiny insignificant planet, and made the entire fucking rest of the universe in one day. Do you have any fucking idea how vast and complex the universe is
It's also pretty funny that he just decided to create a universe one day. He was just floating around like "I'm getting kind of bored after being here for infinite years, I think I'll make some shit".
They just have sex with everybody as a standard social interaction.
Sounds like Manchester, to me.
Originally Posted by Nate
What BM said.
Two completely different responses:
1. God created evil and he did it for a reason. That's the wonderful thing about ineffability - we'll never understand why.
"God works in mysterious ways!" is simply, a cop out. Much in the way that the top rated answer to this riddle on experienceproject.com is: "God is none of these things. God is something more". According to the believers on experienceproject.com these poultry two sentences, devoid of any substance whatsoever are the best answer available to the riddle of Epicurus. This is a common criticism of the riddle (proven by you). You're basically saying "yes, it may seem
to not make sense to our frail human
logic, but God
is beyond our ability to grasp. God is said to live outside our range of reasoning, we cannot comprehend him, he is beyond us".
The most obvious problem with this answer is that it's a cop out. It exempts the concept of God from criticism and essentially renders him unfalsifiable. Imagine if I made the claim to you that I can turn into a firebreathing dragon and fly around whenever I like, the only drawback being that I can't do it when anyone is looking. Then when you make the claim that this cannot possibly be true I would simply say "well, not by physics and biology as you understand it, but us dragon-men are an exeption to the laws of physics and basic biology, we are beyond reality as far as you can grasp it
". I'd be laughed out of the building, I'd be ridiculed and mocked relentlessly, and I would absolutely deserve it. No idea should be allowed to squeeze out of being able to be explained by simply claiming to be above the rules and beyond our understanding.
2. What is evil? If you mean the devil tempting people against god's wishes, that's clearly a sign of not-omnipotentness. But I come from a Jewish background where such a concept is unthinkable. If you say that natural disasters and parasitic fungi are evil, then I disagree with you. They're not morally anything. They're just unpleasant. And there's the fundamental problem with people who say that 'God is Love' - god clearly isn't love. God isn't nice. God isn't really even good by human standards. What god is, is right. By definition, anything he does is the right thing to do, even if we humans may not like it.
Not natural disasters, though if there was a god, they would be under his control and therefore you could call it evil, because it is willed. Nature however, isn't evil.
What is evil? Most Christians say that evil is simply the absence of good. Darkness in the absence of light. God didn't create evil, but he created beings called humans who could choose not to be good, and THAT is why there is evil in the world
This doesn't really add up. If God made man capable of turning away from good, he was still creating evil, or if you believe in the literal creation story, he created man with enough of a rebellious side to eat from the Tree of Knowledge and fall from grace. Either way, our biology is at fault for evil, and God is at fault for our biology.
And how could evil be the mere absence of good? Is genocide the absence of something? Of what, of kindness? Were there no kind Nazis? Of love? Were there no Maoist revolutionaries that loved their families?
Evil is an act. We commit evil proactively, it doesn't just emerge in the absence of good. When you don't put a quid in the breast cancer charity tin at the checkout at ASDA, it doesn't mean that an axe murderer was created.
Human beings have one set of actions described as good, and another set described as evil. It may not always be as black an white as that but that's the gist of it.
A common response I'd get to that is that we have free will and the ability to make any such choices because, life is a test. It is a test to determine whether or not we are fit for salvation.
This may have been a somewhat compelling answer before the advent of modern neuroscience, which demonstrates that our consciousness is made up by the physical components of the brain. The 'soul' that would allow us to survive physical death and allow our consciousness to survive has never been demonstrated to exist.
Furthermore, a test on Earth is designed to gauge the abilities of those taking it. Why would an all-powerful all-knowing entity need to test us, shouldn't he know what our morality is and exactly who we are right off the bat?
Let's put that aside and say that for some reason God can't know our morality without conducting this test. Now think about this, life being a test is the equivelant of giving a bunch of primary school kids tests, except some have 15 minutes in which to complete it, and some have 2 weeks. Some have easy questions like 2+2 and some have difficult ones like 'explain in detail why barium forms an ion with the charge of 2+'. Would anybody take the results of such a test seriously? Of course not, because in order for a test to be a measure of anything it needs to be fair, that means it needs to be the same for everyone who takes it. The theory that life is a test doesn't hold up to scrutiny because, life isn't fair
Further, if God is testing us then the way you pass the test is absurd. You pass the test of life when you give up all reason and logic and accept the divinity of the Christian God. The only personality trait demonstrated here is willful ignorance- this is what God rewards?
Another explanation for the existence of evil in a world supposedly created by an omnipotent loving God is that there exists another entity. An entity that exists in the universe solely dedicated to sowing seeds of evil. This force is most commonly referred to as ZEE DEVIL. Satan is the lord of Hell and he works against God for the souls of all mankind. God wants tou to go to heaven and does all he can to see to it that you make the right choices and get saved.
ZE DEVIL, on the other hand wants to trick you into being naughty and going to hell to burn for all time in an agonizing pit of flames. He puts temptations and sin in your path.
The problems with this are multitudinous.
First off, if God is all-powerful then he should be able to just destroy the Devil instantly if he so desired. Failing that, why doesn't God just manifest on Earth to prove that he exists and tell us outright how to avoid damnation. God allowing the Devil to exist makes no sense. A God who created the Devil in the first place is still the author of evil.
As for what God is, it seems not one person can agree on it. Another thing to ask is why is God's supposedly infinite knowledge limited by the knowledge of humans from the time period said God's respective holy book was written, for example, the earth being flat?
If God is the ultimate be-all end-all when it comes to morality, does that mean misogyny, homophobia, slavery and paedophilia are all completely just?
I'd like to reiterate that the riddle of Epicurus is rated 1 out of 5 stars on thinkexist.com. A quote that single-handedly refutes the entire moral law argument for the existence of God is rated one star. A quote regarding questions of theology and morality from one of the most important intellectuals in human history is rated one star yet, Epicurus was a brilliant thinker.
Forgive the lack of paragraphs and structure in this post, I'm writing on a phone and it's a pain in the balls.