Meech Environment and Fleech leashes

[Zerox]

This topic was about the environment Meeches live in, right?

Look at this map: http://www.oddworld.com/alf/alfictio...assets/map.jpg

Though it's not as easy to tell as it is in the book, the environment structure under the Paramonia and Scrabania icons vaguely reveals environment (a sort of yellow desert area under Scrabania, and a green one under Paramonia). If this is accurate, then the large, green area Rupture Farms is located on should theoretically be Meech habitat. Not much to tell from here, though...

Dunno about the other map, considering the Scrabania/Paramonia colours have almost exactly the same environmental background, it seems silly.

[arkaznor]

Given how large Rupture Farms is, and that it is built were meeches lived, I would think that they lived on grassy planes. After all, Rupture Farms woulds need a large semi-flat area.

It makes sense to me.

[Xavier]

Originally Posted by arkaznor

Given how large Rupture Farms is, and that it is built were meeches lived, I would think that they lived on grassy planes. After all, Rupture Farms woulds need a large semi-flat area.

It makes sense to me.

seems that's some pretty good thinking

[Zerox]

Why didn't I think of that? Flat land was mentioned in factory building in Geography last week.

Maybe a savannah type area? Lorne did compare them to Hyenas, and that's where they live. Makes sense with their anatomy too, perhaps.

[Max the Mug]

Paramites have also been compared to hyenas, but their native environment isn’t savannah. Nonetheless, I’ve always pictured Meeches as living on flat plains and grasslands. Savannah could make sense as it’s not unreasonable to regard it as a transitionary biome between desert and forest. Because of this, savannah can also be quite a fragile environment, being eaten into by either desertification or natural succession into a more forested landscape. This might make ‘Meecharnia’ the small geographic area Meeches were confined to.

[Bullet Magnet]

I think savannah's only remain such with heavy grazing. This either means that elums are more ravenous and/or numerous than we have previously anticipated, or else (and quite probably) there are more herbivorous species local to the region than we have been exposed to. Either way, the meeches have their prey.

[Max the Mug]

Originally Posted by Nate

Abe didn't travel through Meechania.

If there were still Meeches and if mudokons worshipped them, then Abe would have had to traverse Meechania.

We know that item (i) is not true but we don't know whether item (ii) was true. Considering that it was said that they were not a hugely widespread species, it is more than possible that Mudokons did not have contact with them.

This is not what the Dear Alf question and answers says. The questioner only asks if Abe would have to travel through ‘Meecharnia’ had the Meeches not been extinct. Alf gives the affirmative. Either way, this has no direct bearing on whether the Mudokons worshipped Meeches.

[Zerox]

When were Paramites compared to Hyenas? I have no recollection of this being mentioned anywhere, seldom officially.

I highly doubt Elums being the only herbivorous creatures, given we know of 4 predatory ones already.

[Max the Mug]

‘Oddfellows: Character Design the Oddworld Way’ was a lecture given by Farzad, Paul O’Connor and Chris Ulm at GDC ’01. They describe the behaviour of a Paramite as being ‘a cross between a spider and a hyena’.

[Bullet Magnet]

Stangs serve as “shark/jellyfish” in water areas.

That's something I've not heard of before...

[Max the Mug]

But you knew Stangs were an Oddworld species, right? If not, I’d have to assume you haven’t been reading the Encyclopædia.

[Bullet Magnet]

I dunno. I thought they might have been a Nodism.

[totor]

The meeches lived maybe in what is actually the stockyard (it's near from Rupture Farms).

[abe is now!]

They lived in the Monsaic Lines... I asked this too in the previous Oddworld Q&A. And Max told me there are two screens in AO (in Necrum) where we can see Meeches but I don't rember it.

[MeechShrykull1029]

1. Necrum is from AE.
2. Someone said that Meeches couldn't live in Monsaic Lines, because they would kill Muds.
3. This is a theory that you can see Meech carvings in Monsaic Lines. I don't think it's true.

[abe is now!]

Originally Posted by Oddworld-Web

Classification: Wildlife
Featured in: Abe's Exoddus (extinct)

Very little is known about the Meech. Meeches have become extinct (or so it seems) after they were harvested for Meech Munchies.

Meeches were a strange looking creature with three jaws. They walked on hind legs and had 2 very tiny arms. Like most Oddworld wildlife, Meeches had no eyes and would have used other senses to see. Sketches of Meeches can be found inside native Mudokon caves.
Meeches stand at a reminder to us as to what could happen to species if they continue to be exploited.

Read it.

[MeechShrykull1029]

But there are no Meech carvings in the games, only in other parts of these places not seen in the games.

[abe is now!]

Originally Posted by MeechShrykull1029

But there are no Meech carvings in the games, only in other parts of these places not seen in the games.

In fact doesn't say that there are Meech's carvings in the Monsac Lines we saw in A. Monsaic Lines is a big place, and I think Abe passed through a little part of it.

[Splat]

Originally Posted by Max the Mug

This is not what the Dear Alf question and answers says. The questioner only asks if Abe would have to travel through ‘Meecharnia’ had the Meeches not been extinct. Alf gives the affirmative. Either way, this has no direct bearing on whether the Mudokons worshipped Meeches.

Scrabania and Paramonia were built for the worship of scrabs and paramites respectively. It stands to reason therefore that Meecharnia or Meechonia or Meechapalooza or whatever would have been built for the worship of meeches.

Gosh, I just posted in OD. The world will now end.

[Wings of Fire]

Originally Posted by Splat

Scrabania and Paramonia were built for the worship of scrabs and paramites respectively. It stands to reason therefore that Meecharnia or Meechonia or Meechapalooza or whatever would have been built for the worship of meeches.

Gosh, I just posted in OD. The world will now end.

A desert and forest were built for the worship of species native to them? Surely you either mean the temples or that they were named out of a reverence for the native animals?

Although thinking about it that's a damn fine point.

[arkaznor]

Ahh!! Splat as come to the OD! Every one horde the caned food, and run to the bomb shelters!!

Ok, if there was a temple built to worship meechs, then wouldn't that mean that it was built in meechs native land. And if that's true, then wouldn't that mean that Rupture Farms would of destroyed it, to make room for its own construct.

[Munch's Master]

This must be Splat's first visit to OD in about 4 years, surely a sign that Armageddon is nigh and the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse approach.

And yes, that is pretty much what I figured. Scrabania and Paramonia exist because Scrabs and Paramites are sacred. Abe had to travel through those areas because the animals were sacred. Since Alf said he would have had to travel through Meecharnia or whatever if Meeches were still alive, that means the place exists and Meeches were also sacred.

I will say this, based on the 1 sketch of a Meech on TOGG, they are incredibly cool looking creatures. I just wonder what colour they were. I alwys figured they were an orangey-beige colour to look at them, but if they lived on open fields and were predators I'd imagine they were green.

[Bullet Magnet]

Meeches were not part of Shrykull. Are we to assume that there was a tribe of mudokons worshipping every large predator on Mudos?

[Zerox]

Or every small predator for that matter (Fleeches, anyone?).

AIN and MeechShrykull...lol.

[MeechShrykull1029]

Fleeches might have been sacred because of one of the Weirdos.

[Munch's Master]

Originally Posted by Bullet Magnet

Meeches were not part of Shrykull. Are we to assume that there was a tribe of mudokons worshipping every large predator on Mudos?

No, but could that not be because the Meech is extinct? We don't know, do we. And also, as already stated, if Meeches were alive Abe would've gone through Meecharnia, and such areas were sacred areas so they must have revered Meeches. Plus the whole Meech cave sketches thing. Shrykull alone doesn't mean Meeches weren't sacred.

Not saying they revered every predator, but that Meeches were probably the 3rd sacred species. Of course, truth is we don't know.

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by MeechShrykull1029

Fleeches might have been sacred because of one of the Weirdos.

To be honest I don't think Fleeches are sacred. They were created by Vykkers, and they don't particularly have anything that would make Mudokons worship them.

[abe is now!]

Originally Posted by Jordan

To be honest I don't think Fleeches are sacred. They were created by Vykkers, and they don't particularly have anything that would make Mudokons worship them.

And also I think they stink, because they live in the Oddworld's sewerages. Then, they aren't legendary creatures like Paramites and Scrabs, they don't defend anything, they are in the Necrum because they come to surface from sewerages. I don't think Mudokons fear them, I think they can avoid and kill them easily. They were also Glukkons pets... how could they be sacred?

[MeechShrykull1029]

There is a wild type of Fleech. Maybe it's sacred.

[Wings of Fire]

Originally Posted by MeechShrykull1029

There is a wild type of Fleech. Maybe it's sacred.

And maybe it evolves into a Meech, oh wait.....